Monday, September 18, 2006

Are Eagles Fans Overrated?

We keep hearing about the passionate Eagles fans and how they are the 12th man for team. Then if that is true, there is just one simple question that needs to be asked - where were the fans at the end of Sunday's 30-24 overtime loss at Lincoln Financial Field to the New York Giants.?
By the beginning of overtime, a sizeable number of patrons had left. And the numbers kept growing. When the Eagles needed the vocal support, many of the fans had bailed out.
While we realize that there are few things worse than getting stuck in Eagles traffic, one would think the fans would want to stay for the outcome. Especially when they pay good money for their seats.
True fans stay with the team until the end of the game. They can cheer or boo, but leaving a game before the outcome is known is usually something that is associated with laid-back fans who view a football game strictly as a social affair.
The Eagles fans are supposed to live and die with their team, not abandon it in droves.
Sure the Linc was loud and the Eagles fans are as difficult as any on the visiting team, but a fan can't cheer or boo if he or she isn't in a seat.
And there were plenty of empty seats when the Eli Manning connected with Plaxico Burress with the winning 31-yard TD pass.
So the Eagles weren't the only ones who had a disappointing effort. Many of the so-called best fans in the NFL, jumped ship early. In doing so, they have left the impression that they don't care quite as much as their reputations suggests that they do.


At 2:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off Mr Nardouche I ask if you were even at the game on this past Sunday I was, and till the bitter end. Like most of my fellow true Eagle fans I was yelling the entire game which is evidenced by the loss of my voice.

Most of the empty seats you are so quick to point out were located in the club areas which you conveniently omit from your blog. I also gather from the tone of your blog that you are not an Eagles fan and only wrote this trash to boost your own ego and to try and stir up controversy in a sad attempt to generate readership.

At 4:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you expect to happen, when real fans are priced out of the stadium ?

Sure, there are penty of real fans who pony up the money but there are way too many nouveau riche 'fans' who are more concerned with getting back to their McMansions in time for dinner than shouting themselves hoarse in support of our beloved Iggles. I don't remember many of their faces, freezing in the Vet during Ray-Bob's doomed 3-13 season.

At 5:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who's to say what qualifies as a real fan or not? Just because they can afford a club ticket that costs $350 per seat per game doesn't make them any less of a fan. I leave early so I can beat the traffic. I'd rather be at home than stuck on Pattison Avenue for 45 minutes watching people fight because some jerk cut them off.

"Real fans priced out of the stadium"?

Until they added the club seats, it was near impossible to entertain at an Eagles game. I have 4 club seats on the 45 yard line and frankly, I'd rather pay 5x more for them than sit with the "real fans" up top or down below.


Because I'd like to bring family members and clients to the game without them being subjected to stupidity and buffoonery. You know, the "Nice t-ts", "Nice a-s" or things like that to my sisters, girlfriend or mother. Or how about "you stupid f-g" or "go home you p---y" to someone wearing another teams colors. There's nothing like getting a cup full of beer, or even urine thrown at you to make you never want to come back to a game again. Oops, almost forgot being spit on, or taunted into a fight.

I'm serious, I saw all those things happen over the course of 1 full season at the old Vet. Not to mention, that place was a complete dump of a stadium. I don't know why people are nostalgic for such a big hellhole.

You "real fans" reflect poorly on everyone, including not only yourselves, your city, the franchise, the region, and the fanbase entirely.

If they have to raise the ticket prices 10-fold more to get rid of you drunken degenerate thugs, then so be it. I'll be first in line.

At 2:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

true eagles fans are unfazed by your comments,the media will kick them when down , and talk them up when they win, alot of us are blue collar workers who live paycheck to paycheck, that cant afford to take the day off to watch it at home on the tv, let alone take a day off to go to a game they paid for in advance, [that they cant afford] go eagles the working man

At 10:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody left that game earlier than the Eagles did.

How you can criticize a fan base for failing to watch that entire tragesty is beyond me.

The behavior of that FOOTBALL TEAM was unacceptable. the fans should not be subjected to such lackidasical efforts. Most of the people I know who are the hardest fans LEFT. that team doesn't deserve support.

Time for Reid to hit the bricks.

At 10:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They had to go home an throw up.

It would be like watching your girlfriend make out with someone.

At least that's what it felt like.

A kick in the nuts.

I would have left too... luckily I could change the channel and watch something more pleasant like auto accidents or live surgury.

At 12:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I 100% agree with the idea that real fans stick to the end. I watched the game and saw the fans were still there, even though the team left after the 3rd quarter. Want to have more fans there? Don't let ticketmaster sell the tickets. I'm still stewing over the lack of single game tickets available. I would have stuck around simply to taunt Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. :-)

At 4:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know some people left early around my section (220) because on the East side of the stadium the sun was brutal and fans were worn out by the end of the game. I guess all the drinking caught up with people.

I stayed till the last play, very few people left early. I guess those people thought they Eagles already won the game in the 3rd quarter, thats the way the team played from there on.

At 5:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It cannnot be argued that a huge portion of the Eagles fan base has indeed been priced out of the stadium, and while it's also true that one's income does not indicate the extent of their "fanhood", but I can say that in my section (South End Zone) on Sunday, there was a definite lack of enthusiasm, with no emotion being displayed except for immediately after eagles scores, their were a hugne number of people that arrived late and/or left early, there was no interest in the Eagles when they were on defense (the stadium was silent), and people actually sleeping. I was often disgusted by people's behavior at the Vet, but I could always afford to go, and the place, as crappy as it was, never wanted for enthusiasm.

At 5:37 PM, Blogger kycnephilly said...

Maybe those yuppy bandwagon people can give up those valued season tickets so many of us can buy them.

At 6:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this sounds like a comment from a giant fan who is scared to death to show his alliance for his team at a visiting stadium so his only revenge is to make up some fabricated story like this one i didnt see anyone leave he was probably talking hour after the game was over where he felt a little more comfortable to celebrate

At 8:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I noticed a few empty seats but not the throngs you suggest. We sat in stunned silence for several minutes following the loss and it took us a good half hour to get out of the stadium and another hour before traffic subsided. Eagle fans were disappointed, to say the least, but they cared enough to stick around in the parking lots after the game, suck down a beer or two, and do a post mortum on the game. I've been coming to games since the early '50's. This was a terrible loss, but it has not dampened our plans to go to Tampa in Oct. to root on the Birds.

At 9:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah I left.I could feel my blood pressure meds stop working as we sucked and sucked some more.
I literally left to not have a friggin' stroke.Remember that guy in Pittsburgh who had a herat attack at a bar as The Bus fumbled?Then asked the doctors
one question:who won?
That would be me if hadn't left.
Dead serious.

At 10:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From what I saw everyone stayed including our bunch that drives from Virginia for every game. We never leave early even if it means getting home at 4 am after a Monday night game. Let me tell you about some season ticket holding fair weather, band wagon riding, non fans that I have to deal with every day around here. That's the skins fans at the Jack. A bunch of corporate company men, doctors, lawyers that could care less about what is going on at field level. I don't even go see the Eagles there anymore the place is so boring. My dad and grandfather drug me to the first game at the Vet when I was about 4 if anything to say I was there. When the Vet down so did the feeling. The new venues are great but can't touch the spirit of what went on at the Vet. Rest in Peace. So Yes, Philly lives and dies by their teams. For the most part no ring, no trophy, no title, no nothin'! We'll all be back the next year!

At 3:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

These fans are not the fans of years past. They are bandwagon fans. I think back to when I was in High School in the 90's. I used to be made fun of because of my Eagles gear. Now everyone is wearing their colors. It all started when the Eagles made the Championship games 4 years in a row. They will also be the first ones to abandoned this team shall they loose anymore.

At 5:02 AM, Blogger Ajax Rasputin said...

The following is a rebuddle to a poser Eagle fan. The poser I'm referring to happens to be the person who wrote the third post on this blog. Let's begin...

POSER QUOTE: "I leave early so I can beat the traffic."

MY RESPONSE: You're a punk bi*ch, not an Eagles fan.

POSER QUOTE: "I have 4 club seats on the 45 yard line and frankly, I'd rather pay 5x more for them than sit with the "real fans" up top or down below."

MY RESPONSE: If you sat with the real fans "up top or down below" (as you put it), we would make a statement out of your elite punk a*s. - Not a verbal one if you catch my drift.

POSER QUOTE: "...because I'd like to bring family members and clients to the game without them being subjected to stupidity and buffoonery."

MY RESPONSE: Your family would be served well to be subjected to such "buffoonery" since they have to deal with your bland conception of how to have a good time.

POSER QUOTE: "You 'real fans' reflect poorly on everyone, including not only yourselves, your city, the franchise, the region, and the fanbase entirely."

MY RESPONSE: And "club bi*ches" like you embarrass every true Eagles fan.

POSER QUOTE: "If they have to raise the ticket prices 10-fold more to get rid of you drunken degenerate thugs, then so be it. I'll be first in line."

MY RESPONSE: That's amusing. You are a white collar p**sy who lacks identity. You are just another synthetic clone. A clone that can be accounted for two billion times within the world's population. You are simplistic while believing you are elite. You exhibit predictable behavior and imply being a slave to unoriginality. You are the archetype of behavior which demonstrates your lack of adventure and sterility of the mind.

I dare you to say in person what you say behind a keyboard. Cowards like you and your "clients" don't have the guts and never will.

Why don't you state your name, tough guy?

- George Fredette

At 6:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Real fans HAVE been priced out of the Linc. Eagles games are now nothing more than social gatherings for the j/o yacht club group.

Eliminate ALL parking at the sports complex! Then, the real Philly fans will be able to return to see their teams.

At 8:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's true...the fans at the Linc truely suck. You can't get more than five people in a section to stand up on a defensive 3rd down.

The Eagles fans they talk about on TV are at home or a sports bar wishing they could make themselves heard like the old days. I'd give up my club seats at the Linc for my seats in Section 727 at the Vet in a heartbeat. The Eagles' 12th man is buried under the Vet's rubble.

At 9:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow..This is a no brainer. The true fans have been priced out like many others pointed out. I think that's all that needs to be said. It makes sense to get a jump on traffic. They gotta get those big SUV's out to the suburbs beore it gets too late...

At 10:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is the DB Plaxico Burris schooled in the 4th quarter?

At 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eagle fans like most other NFL fans are at home watching the games while the seats at the Stadiums are filled with people from Corporations who are given the tickets as perks. They leave early to beat the traffic. These people were only at the game so they could tell people they were there, the outcome of the game isn't important to them.

At 1:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They left because the are true fans who have faced this path all to many times with all of our teams. The philly "collapse". It is gutwrenching and a reality in Philly. Does anybody remember 1964? I'll say no more. This loss was devestating and as we sat there any true fan could have written the overtime script. Hopes raised (why did I does this to myself) and hopes crashed (why did I chase this mirage again!). Donovan's Eagles are a replay of Randall's Eagles, awesome talent but just can't git r dun. It kills me. So why stay and watch what we knew would happen?

At 2:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think that it is unrealistic to see a small percentage of 65,000+ fans leave a game in the 4th quarter of what appeared to be a blowout. This makes even more sense when you consider the fact that many "true" fans can't afford to actually go to the game, so you end up with a bunch of white collar "fans" in the seats who are just looking to get back to the suburbs before the Schuylkill jams up.

The days of the ominous Vet are gone. The entire first two rows of the Linc are owned by the team and corporate sponsors. This is nothing new - find something else to write about.

Have you seen the crowd at a Flyers game in the last 10 years? Congratulations on your's called corporate America.

I was there until the bitter end on Sunday, cheering on the Birds, as were SEVERAL THOUSAND TRUE FANS.

At 3:35 PM, Anonymous Jeffvco said...

It was either leave or risk a possible aneurysm. My blood vessels couldn't take much more from the strain.

The pain was unbearable, even days afterward. I've just mustered up the nerve to look at the sports section.

Andy's game management will kill me yet!!

At 3:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey George, nice mature, classy comments. Calling people names and threatenign them with violence? Calling someone a poser and some of those other names is a true mark of originality I guess.

At 4:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately many of the fans are too drunk to make it past half time. Happens every game I have been attended.

At 12:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Calling people names and threatenign them with violence? Calling someone a poser and some of those other names is a true mark of originality I guess. "

- nope. It's the true mark of a "true" Eagles fan.

At 1:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Makes sense that you'd rather have a class war instead of banding together as fans..this is typical of the "Eagle Fan." Fact is that the beautiful stadium you have cost some bucks and you're paying for it now. I lived in Philadelphia for 10 years and witnessed first hand the "fair weather" Eagle fans. Sure this is a generalization that doesn't apply to every Eagle fan, but for the most part the majority of Eagles fans bolt at the first sign of adversity. No comparison to NY fans, who have been sticking by their Giants through any season. Having both a NY and Philly connection I've spoken with many Giant and Eagle fans alike and not one Giant fan told me they turned the TV off in the 3rd quarter. Some, not all, Eagles fans told me they stopped watching after it went 24-7, some didn't watch at all! Don't know where it comes from. Maybe it's in the cheesesteaks?

At 1:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go G-Men! Man that was a sweet comeback!

At 1:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i thought george was right on.
we've had tickets since before i was born, and if i had to sell my stuff or work a 3rd job, i'd do it to keep those tickets.
granted, the linc is *not* the vet. the intensity isn't there yet -- still a sense of pretty and clean and new. and there are corporate fans, moreso than at the vet because of the newness and added attractions.
but there are a boatload of diehards who stayed until the end, and if they did get quieter as the game came to an end, it was because they were hoarse or sick to their stomachs. i likened the feeling walking to the car afterwards as reminiscent of the final scene in braveheart as mel is eviscerated. you can go through it as regularly as we do and it's still a painful shock.
football is a brutal sport. to expect a country club, ballet performance crowd is being a little unrealistic. especially with our reputation.
so i have to say i disagree with what you said on the whole.
go birds.

At 4:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think people were not there till the bitter, very bitter, end of that terrible game it's a safe assumption that you were nowhere near philadelphia last sunday.

At 10:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I moved here from Central PA and have always heard the blah blah blah about how diehard Eagles fans are. But I recall when I moved out here they were GIVING tickets away just so the games would not be blacked out on television. This was less than 10 years ago, folks. If the fans are so diehard, why can't a city of over a million people fill the seats? They don't have that problem in other cities. Pittsburgh, to name one. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the passion of the fans. But I have never seen anything here that I haven't seen in other cities, except empty seats when the team is bad.

At 11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

first of all, the prices are totally out of line.I was a season ticket holder at the Vet for years. I paid $600 for 2 tickets for the whole season in the 600 level. When the eagles went to the linc., the price went to $1400 for 2 tickets plus that seat licence crap ($2500 per seat) that I refuse to pay for. I`ll watch the game at home now

At 2:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

^ you're obviously too stupid to realize that the seat licenses you passed on are probably worth about $4000-5000 each now.

I paid $2900 each for 4 seat licenses in C21. In the last 6 months alone, I've turned down offers of $8,000-$10,000 for each seat.

You should have done it because you would have had a nice asset.

At 2:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen people, THE VET IS GONE. So is the 700 level and the dirty-ass BUMS that inhabited it.

It's not coming back, no matter how much you want it to. GET OVER IT ALREADY. That place was a absolute complete SHITHOLE of a stadium and the teams never won a damn thing there.

You people have a $500 million dollar stadium and you don't even appreciate it. Unbelievable.

At 11:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eagle fans are not over rated at all. We are the most passionate fans there are. There are lots of diehards that live and die with this team. The only ones that may over rate this team are the band wagon jumpers.

At 9:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Eagles fans ARE overated, its the media's fault, not the fans. The whole Eagle fan phenomena was created by media exaggeration and stereotyping. I'm an Eagles as much as anybody else but I don't see myself as described by the generalization of the typical Eagles fan. The whole 700-level stereotype is a joke. Eagles fans are fans, plain and simple. So basically, this question is rather silly. Overated fans??? As opposed to what other fans??/

At 9:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at the Eagles/Giants game in the new GA seats, which were great if you could find a good spot. The crowd and atmostphere was fantastic and I am a Giants fan! (of course I did NOT wear my jersey and hid in the crowd!haha!) I do have to say, that around us, the crowds of people who left early were mostly Giants fans. I think it's unfair of you to assume because crowds of people were leaving that they were Eagles fans, from what I saw, 90% were people wearing Giants colors that were leaving. And they were leaving to cheers of A**hole go home, so I don't blame them for leaving early, and also why I didn't wear my Giants gear to the game.

At 12:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, I have read all the comments. For those people who stated they talked to Giants and Steelers fans. Both teams have had their problems with attendance when the teams did not play well. In fact, it was a few years ago, that Steelers games were not full when Kordell was QB. So before you mouth off - get your facts straight. Do not even talk about NY - that is the biggest bunch of bandwagon fans in the country. Do you even watch football? (I mean except for this year)

To the others that stated we should not complain about our $500 million stadium. We payed for it -so if we want to complain - back off.


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